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@ajoga ajoga commented Aug 13, 2025

Since Linux 5.11-rc1, fs.inotify.max_user_watches is dynamically computed up to 1048576 with regards to the addressable physical memory: torvalds/linux@9289012 .

I suggest removing the current explicit setting to a lower maximum value in favor of using the kernel's default smart way that can provide memory gains on smaller nodes which wouldn't require a high value there.

Tablecloth math from the above-linked commit makes me understand that on a 64bits host with 64GB fs.inotify.max_user_watches would be set to the currently hard coded 524288.

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ajoga commented Aug 13, 2025

I'll sign the CLA later I do not have access to the device needed right away

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hakman commented Aug 13, 2025

/ok-to-test

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ajoga commented Aug 14, 2025

I understand there's a change to be done in upstream fnotify, not right here. I've made a PR there (fsnotify/fsnotify#708), I'll see the outcome and update this PR accordingly

Since Linux 5.11-rc1, fs.inotify.max_user_watches is dynamically computed up to 1048576 with regards to the addressable physical memory: torvalds/linux@9289012 .

Tablecloth math from the above-linked commit makes me understand that on a 64bits host with 64GB fs.inotify.max_user_watches would be set to the currently hard coded 524288.
@ajoga ajoga force-pushed the feat/remove_explicit_sysctl branch from dcded98 to e6aa1e7 Compare August 14, 2025 09:09
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ajoga commented Aug 14, 2025

well in fact no i can just do both at the same time, I took out the changes I committed here that are part of fnotify, let's see

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ajoga commented Aug 14, 2025

/retest

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ameukam commented Aug 14, 2025

/test pull-kops-aws-distro-al2023
/test pull-kops-aws-distro-rhel9

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ajoga commented Aug 15, 2025

/test pull-kops-aws-distro-rhel9

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ameukam commented Aug 15, 2025

/test pull-kops-aws-distro-rhel9

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ameukam commented Aug 16, 2025

/restest
I think we can skip the rhel9 failing test.

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hakman commented Aug 16, 2025

kOps has support for distros with pretty old kernels.
Any idea how far back this change was back-ported? For example, is it part of RHEL 8, 9 and AmazonLinux 2, 2023?
I don't thin I am that worried about Ubuntu, Debian, Flatcar, COS.

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ajoga commented Aug 18, 2025

kOps has support for distros with pretty old kernels. Any idea how far back this change was back-ported? For example, is it part of RHEL 8, 9 and AmazonLinux 2, 2023? I don't thin I am that worried about Ubuntu, Debian, Flatcar, COS.

Mh, this isn't a concern I anticipated, good point.

I'm not sure where too look at for reliable information for RHEL, I do not have access to their subscription-walled resources ; however I could find that it seems the change was backported in the kernels for Centos8 and 9 prior to their depreciation:

I don't thin I am that worried about Ubuntu, Debian, Flatcar, COS.

Do you want me to look into this too or are you saying we don't care?

I'd hate to be the source of a backward breakage, and it may be sensible to not do this change at this time, so feel free to close the PR if you see it that way too.

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ameukam commented Aug 18, 2025

FWIW, you may be able to the kernel versions for RHEL releases: https://access.redhat.com/articles/3078.

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